Paranormal 956
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Paranormal 956
Chaos, Drugs, and Cult: The Acid King
What if a fascination with heavy metal and a penchant for drugs could lead to the most disturbing murder case of the early 1980s? Join us as we unravel the spine-chilling story of Ricky Casso, dubbed the "Acid King," whose actions fueled the Satanic Panic that gripped America. From his troubled adolescence to his creation of the notorious "Knights of the Black Circle," we explore how Casso's hard rock inspirations and drug-fueled lifestyle spiraled into acts that left a mark of horror in Northport, New York. This episode uncovers the dark underpinnings of a group that merged cult-like behavior with a deadly obsession, setting the stage for an era defined by hysteria and fear.
The narrative intensifies with the gruesome murder of Gary, an event shrouded in chaos and psychedelic confusion. Experience the terrifying camping trip that turned fatal as drug theft spiraled into brutal violence, leading to Ricky's ultimate assault on Gary. Hear about the perplexing aftermath, where conflicting testimonies and surreal memories muddied the waters of justice, climaxing with Ricky's own tragic end in jail. Through this disturbing tale, we grapple with the elusive nature of truth and justice, pondering the unsettling reality that some mysteries may never be fully solved.
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Speaker 1:Acid, as in drugs, or acid-acid.
Speaker 2:Acid as in drugs. In relations to Ricky Casso.
Speaker 1:Who's that? The creator Sponsor.
Speaker 2:Is the acid king.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:So recently we talked about our new category, the Satanic Panic.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:This is one of those guys that really set people into a tailspin, and so we're going to be talking about why.
Speaker 1:He was setting acid to Jehovah's Witnesses. What the fuck was going on. So this guy is a murderer Of what Jehovah's Witnesses what the fuck was going on. So this guy is a murderer Of what Jehovah's Witnesses?
Speaker 2:No, oh, we're going to get into all of that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So, like I said in, or like we talked about in our opening Satanic Panic episode, some of these things are ridiculous. Right, we talked about cartoons and monster energy drinks I mean on the cartoon part. I kind of understand now it felt a little weird yeah but this was one of those ones that I could kind of see where people were concerned. Okay, and so we're talking about ricky casso. He's actually junior, but you never really hear the junior part coming in in the story, and so this kid was just a bad seed, right.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:He did listen to, like ACDC and Black Sabbath, judas Priest, ozzy Osbourne, etc.
Speaker 1:Did he dance to Thunderstruck? I'm pretty sure like the dallas cheerleader, so a lot of the.
Speaker 2:If he's a fan, he should be a full way fan yeah, you would think right, this is way back before the cheerleaders yeah, well, I mean, they were around, they're around this this guy murdered in around in the 1980s, early 1980s you know we should do a video on the dallas cowboys cheerleaders I agree with you. I really just haven't figured out an angle yet I think it's a cult that's a good angle that's the only angle I like that okay.
Speaker 2:So we're talking about this guy, right, and so when you talk about satanist right, satanists often read the book of satan right or follow some kind of cult or whatever. This guy was mostly intrigued by hard rock bands or heavy metal bands which in some they do mention the devil a lot but it's not really a scholarly thing no, it's imagine being religious because you like taylor swift. To me that seems weird, right like people that are religious usually go to church and they get a bible and they learn catholic school whatever they practice, they practice this guy is a satanist because he listens to ozzy osbourne.
Speaker 2:I've listened to ozzy osbourne, like that doesn't yeah, it doesn't make you it's like it doesn't check out to me, but that's how this guy is into thunderstruck.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's wow. I think it's part of the Illuminati too.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe. It's all tied together, so this guy's listening to this hard rock music.
Speaker 1:So I got to stop listening to Thunderstruck.
Speaker 2:I don't think it has the power. This guy thought it did Right. So, anyway, this kid's a bad kid. He's plays football, but he hates it right? His dad's like really trying to push him into sports and be you know how dads are right.
Speaker 1:A religious kid? No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:A sporty kid. A sporty kid right. He's like the sporty spice of the group.
Speaker 1:The dad wants to be screaming at him for something. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile this kid starts getting into drugs, and so he starts doing pot, he starts doing acid.
Speaker 1:He goes through the process of experiencing.
Speaker 2:Right and he's doing PCP, etc.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So he starts calling himself the acid king. So he starts selling acid himself the acid king. So he starts selling acid and he has a reputation in town of selling acid for the cheapest price of anybody. Okay, and by the way, just so you know where this is, this is out on. I think it's on long island in new york, right okay um, north port, new york, north port, new york.
Speaker 2:So it's on, it's on the island out there and so, like I said, this kid's into these heavy metal bands. He's dealing and taking drugs. He does a lot of pcp, which I've never done pcp, but the people that I do know that have taken it, they like almost always like it's such a bad experience for them, right, that they like clean up their act because it's not a fun trip.
Speaker 2:From what I know, I don't know, right, but what you've heard what I've heard is that like people will be tripping for like three days straight, oh shit, and it's just like that's too much. Like bring it back, give me back the pot, give me back right a little too much yeah we got lives to live.
Speaker 1:Right, we can't be high for three days that's I mean you're you're not gonna get off three days out of the week I could do it.
Speaker 2:I could do it being a tiktoker. Yeah, I get it, getting, getting my job, I could do it yeah, yeah so anyway.
Speaker 1:So this guy starts getting like his little click together, right yeah, and they start calling themselves the knights of the black circle the knights knights, yeah, of the black circle like knights as in like fighters, like armor, okay, yeah, so dark circle starting to be a little cultish, right and so not to sound like a bitch or nothing, it sounds like a kkk yeah, so yeah, I guess because the knights part does kind of the only thing is the Blacks.
Speaker 2:I don't think the KKK would do anything with Black.
Speaker 1:But if they're in a circle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1:I mean who came up with the name?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he came up with all this they were talking to his friends.
Speaker 1:They were like where are the Knights of the Black Circle?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this is. I know that I'm going to sound homophobic in saying this, but Knights of the Black Circle sounds like a group of gay guys, so that wouldn't have been a name I would have picked, but I don't mean it to be hateful.
Speaker 2:Knights of the Dark Circle these are guys that like a certain kind of sex. Let's just say that, right. Anyway, I don't know if that's what this was. I don't even know it to me. I'm with you. This isn't a great name, right? I would have come up with something way scarier than that for sure, right for sure circle to me is not really that.
Speaker 1:Scary knights seems a little old-fashioned too yeah, sounds like a little princessy yeah, right, right, right, like these guys are gonna go like if they read fucking I don't know which one is it.
Speaker 2:It seems like a little Shrek-y to me right.
Speaker 1:Right, right right.
Speaker 2:It's like knights, camelot. None of that's scary to me. We're killing an ogre or some shit like that. Right, right, these guys are going to go fight a dragon, I don't know. Right, it sounds dumb. I wouldn't have used knights. What would I have used? I would have used.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Soldiers.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know that doesn't ring. Nothing works with the dark circle.
Speaker 2:You can't use dark circle. If you say dark circle instead of black circle, you sound like you have bags under your eyes, right.
Speaker 1:That's not good either. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't. Why couldn't they just call it?
Speaker 2:I don't know, but you can't do it any other way either. Right, because you can't say the black triangles, because that sounds, that sounds sexual too right, you can't do that either. This is just about nights of the moon that's not bad, but moon is a butt, so it still sounds sexual and you really can't go anywhere. I don't know if I'm just in this mindset right now, but everything I'm thinking of is sounding sexual, because I was like you know dark holes. Everything sounds bad.
Speaker 1:Even cowboys are the holes Cowboys.
Speaker 2:Now, that's something that doesn't sound gay at all, right, cowboys? What?
Speaker 1:about astros of the dark circle.
Speaker 2:That would make more sense, right astros of the dark circle I don't know you know, it's really weird because I feel like we've come up with good names for our podcast and other things but, cults we're not good at we're learning this about ourselves. We're not good at coming up with the cult. What?
Speaker 1:about minions of the dark of the minions black circle of the.
Speaker 2:I think you got to get away from the black circle because that's that's the part I can't. You got to get away from the black circle because that's that's the part I can't. I don't know what about. Instead of black circle I would use like white evil soul pink circle bleach. The hairless circle there's no circle doesn't work on any level. Right Circle doesn't work, it's got to be.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know. Okay, we're going to move on, because this is.
Speaker 2:We're getting into a deep hole here.
Speaker 1:Deep, deep dark circle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I got to stop deep hole here deep, deep dark. Yeah, yeah, I gotta stop, in the middle of all of this right where he comes up with his cult name, right however, they got it yeah, he's. He's dealing all these drugs right, and taking the drugs too right, sure, and so they go out to well. Before, before I get to the murder part, he gets arrested because he's digging up a grave in like a historical cemetery okay because he just wants the skull to the one here in brazil well, this one's in long Island.
Speaker 2:It's close, right, you're close, but he ends up getting arrested for trying to steal a skull from this historical cemetery.
Speaker 1:Did he have a reason?
Speaker 2:He wanted to do something with the skull. It doesn't say here and they didn't really get into it.
Speaker 1:What put it in the dark circle?
Speaker 2:Maybe Sounds right.
Speaker 1:And the knights around it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, makes me wonder what the knights around it yeah, makes me wonder what the knights were doing at night could also be bad, right? So at this time he gets sick, right, he gets arrested, but then he gets sick and his parents are kind of trying to get him to be sent to a mental hospital. Okay, right, because he's already starting to do a bunch of weird stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean once you go to the cemetery and start digging up a grave and trying to get a skull it's not normal behavior, yeah right I'd say like, hey, draw a line, not a circle right.
Speaker 2:So when they go to, when they go to the doctor, yeah, he ends up saying, well, this guy's not crazy, like, he's just a normal kid, right, and they're like I don't know about that, right.
Speaker 1:And who evaluated him?
Speaker 2:it doesn't say the doctor's name here is he?
Speaker 1:we gotta find that out. Is he certified he's out here letting people out like no, you're okay yeah anyways.
Speaker 2:So I think, at one point he does get put away for a little while, and the doctor's like, oh yeah, that's what's wrong with him but then the doctor is convinced like he tricks the doctors into thinking like he's he's gonna be good from now on, right it's like I won't do it again.
Speaker 1:Guys, this is a.
Speaker 2:I promise I won't be stealing no more stuff.
Speaker 1:You didn't see that I was playing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just wanted to see if I was going to get caught, right.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to see if you were snitch.
Speaker 2:Right, because I wanted to see if your friends would tattle on me.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to see how good of a doctor you were.
Speaker 2:Right right right. So after all of this, he's out with his friends. They go out in the woods right.
Speaker 1:To do what Him and the knights yeah, they're going to go.
Speaker 2:The knights are going to go out into the woods and they're horses, and they're going to and there's horses. Oh man, I wish this guy was alive for you to laugh at him so what do you guys got their armor ready yeah, come on, guys, let's go get the horses so they're partying, right, these guys are partying.
Speaker 2:And this guy his name is rick, right, we talked about this. He passes out and one of his friends whose name's gary okay steals 10 packs little baggies of pcp. And when the guy wakes up, they tell his other friends, tell him hey, this guy stole your drugs. They didn't stop him, and so the guy gets he didn't hear the armor moving around.
Speaker 2:So the guy gets mad, right, right he goes and he tells the guy hey, man, you got to give me my drugs back or you got to buy them from me. And the guy's like I didn't do it Right. So he beats him up. Really bad.
Speaker 2:And the guy goes OK, I stole stole your drugs, but I only have five of the 10 bags left. Oh shit, right, right, because I guess he took the other five and he's like I'll borrow some money to pay you back. Guess how much money, guess how much money, just guess how much money. Five bags back in the 80s, right, we're talking about 1984 and the crack was popping right, this is pcp five bags of pcp. He's gonna have to borrow the money. Think about how much money do you think this is worth?
Speaker 1:five bags. Yeah, how many grams?
Speaker 2:so it doesn't say how many grams. It just purple micro dots, I guess, is what they're talking about man, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1:I don't know what any of this okay five bags just a random number, I'll put it at 800 okay I'm putting a deal for a wholesale like five packs on the spot.
Speaker 2:You know a little bit high. A little bit high.
Speaker 1:It's fifty dollars, right, fifty dollars the guy owes so I'm just saying I was born in the 2000. Inflation has gotten pretty bad it's bad.
Speaker 2:We used to buy five bags of drugs for fifty dollars, and now, how much are they? I don't know. I don't know how much they are I don't know but I'm sure our fans know they can let us know in the comments, right?
Speaker 1:tell us how much per gram and how much details how much would I get for five bags of pcp? But that's the thing. How big were the bags?
Speaker 2:it didn't say just as five bags, I think. I think that's a measurement 10 PCP bags.
Speaker 1:Let me look it up 10 PCP bags, so five right.
Speaker 2:Because he gave five bags, so he owes five. So this guy just keeps beating his friend up, right, he keeps beating up Gary, and so at one point they decide they're going to go back out camping again, right. And this time it's colder, right. And they start running out of like wood to put in the fire right so this guy rick ricky, he's like let's throw your jacket in there. The guy's like no man, come on, no man, you know how?
Speaker 1:guys are right, no man right and he's like no man, come on.
Speaker 2:No man, you know how guys are right. No man right. And he's like I'll cut off my sleeves and you can throw in my sleeves, right. All right, let's do that. And then they go. You know what? Let's do your hair. So the other two guys there's four of them. The other two guys hold him down. He pulls, hold him down. He pulls a knife out of his pocket right and he cuts the guy's hair and he throws it in the fire right and he starts beating the guy up and the guy just for fun, right, okay.
Speaker 2:And the guy gary says man, I feel like you're trying to hurt me, man, like you just want to just getting off hurting me.
Speaker 1:And the guy says and he jerks off no, not close.
Speaker 2:but he says I don't want to hurt you, man, I want to kill you. And when he says that there's some crows overhead and they all go go, go, right Right. And the guy says to himself that that noise means satan is happy with what he said and wants him to kill this guy. Oh right, of course, I guess I mean, you're the bird expert.
Speaker 1:I don't know so.
Speaker 2:To me that's not what it means, but this guy believes it so much that he ends up killing this guy, killing gary right right and so remember you're the bird expert, but here he's, the murder whisper right I would say I don't talk to birds you know about birds I know birds. I know a lot of birds. I'm friends with birds.
Speaker 1:Did you talk with the crows that were around at that time?
Speaker 2:I don't talk to these crows and, by the way, these birds we don't have them here, so I'm not really familiar.
Speaker 1:Oh, you haven't studied that part Right.
Speaker 2:This is in the New England area, those birds I'm not as familiar with them, right? So he starts killing this guy, starts stabbing him with this little bitty pocket knife, right.
Speaker 1:So that's going to hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's stabbing him like in his face too, right. Oh shit he gouges out his eyes, oh shit. He gouges out his eyes, oh fuck. And he's like stabbing in his face and in his chest and he keeps telling the guy say you love Satan, Say you love Satan.
Speaker 1:How the fuck would he say that if he's the one killing him?
Speaker 2:So the guy that's killing him is saying say you love.
Speaker 1:Satan Say you love.
Speaker 2:Satan. And the guy on the bottom says I love my mom, I love my mom, right. That my mom, I love my mom, right. That's what he's saying instead because he doesn't want to say I love satan, right, so ends up killing him what if his mom is satan? It's hard to say stories, stories never really went down. That maybe specific maybe, and so he ends up killing him to death, right.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that's a definition. Of killing someone.
Speaker 2:He kills him to death, right, right.
Speaker 1:Imagine getting killed just to like.
Speaker 2:To die At the end. Yeah Right, so he kills this guy, and so this is the end. Yeah Right, so he kills this guy, and so this is the part that you kind of what that he died A little bit hard to get your head around, right.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:Because I think the other two guys that were holding him down.
Speaker 1:They were still holding him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they held him while he kills him, right.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I think and we'll go into why I think this later I think they forgot that they helped kill somebody because they were so high okay, you know what I mean so everybody goes back to their life, gets back to normal blah, blah, blah. Off the trip, they go back home. Problem number one this kid gary. By the way, he's only like 17 at the time oh, oh shit he's not a gary's, not an adult, really, right.
Speaker 2:So they murder him. They go back to their lives. Problem number one is gary often runs away, right. So the parents are like, well, well they're fucking ran away again. So nobody's looking for him, right? Well, ricky starts telling people that he killed him. Oh, and everybody's like you know what you do? That Satan stuff, it's all make believe. We don't believe you, right? The other guys are like I don't know if we did, I don't know if he did, like they're not really are like.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we did, I don't know if he did. Like they're not really clear.
Speaker 2:They don't know, like, what was reality and what wasn't right, so ricky starts taking people to the woods oh to show them did he take the doctor too? He didn't take the doctor, but he takes allegedly. He takes people out there to show them the dead body. The first person he shows, the first person thinks it's like a cat or something.
Speaker 1:A cat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like.
Speaker 1:How are you going to confuse a body?
Speaker 2:I'm not 100% sure about that how big of a cat? Some cats get big, but a couple more people. Oh, and then I forgot to mention this part. A young girl calls the police and she says there's a big cat dead on the side.
Speaker 1:She says In the woods.
Speaker 2:Ricky, whatever his last name.
Speaker 1:Casso, casso.
Speaker 2:Killed Gary Lowers and left him in the woods.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And the policeman goes what's your name? Click she hangs up. So then the policeman goes prank call right what?
Speaker 1:would it be a prank if they're saying, like real names and stuff yeah, he's already on the record yeah, he, he already has a record at this point I mean yeah, they probably shouldn't have thought it was a prank.
Speaker 2:And even if it was a prank, they should have probably double checked, went out there checked right. They didn't, so later um people start telling the police. Ricky told me he killed Gary.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And then he took me and showed me where it is and they're like are you pranking me? Yeah, and so then they get these cadaver dogs and they go out there and they find the body.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:They say that when they grabbed the body and they picked it up, the head fell off because it had been out there so long. But it still had the clothes, still had everything like that.
Speaker 1:So how are you going to tell me that they thought that was a cat?
Speaker 2:So that I don't understand either. Right, because he's wearing like an ACDC shirt.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Like I don't know any cats that wear acdc shirts at all. Right, so anyway, anyways. So then they say you know what this guy's the main suspect.
Speaker 1:They arrest him oh, maybe because he cut off his hair.
Speaker 2:That's why they didn't recognize him maybe they did say that when they went out there the face was pretty much gone completely. Of course he did stab him in the face a whole bunch of times, but the short hair and then the short hair.
Speaker 1:They were like no way. That's scary, doesn't look like him.
Speaker 2:Right, and so when they take him to, Gary didn't have those eyes, yeah. So they arrest him Right and they arrest the two friends Right, right away the two friends they confess they did it Right and the other guy, the one that stories about Ricky.
Speaker 1:He's like who is really the other?
Speaker 2:guys, oh Right, and everybody's kind of like, well, you're the one that's saying that you did it.
Speaker 1:You, you, you, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's all Spider-Man thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So they arrest him uh-huh funny little thing happens in jail um what ricky kills himself right away man yeah so he was out here killing people and once he one killed.
Speaker 2:One person gets caught, kills himself right away I mean, he got caught like yeah he literally put it, like right on the table and so then everybody knows what's happened and they kind of retrace the steps and then so they go back to the people, the guys who confessed, right, right, and they're like so tell us again what happened, and they give a completely different story. Right, I mean, he's already dead, he is dead what is he gonna say?
Speaker 2:I didn't do it yeah, so then they go back third time, tell us again what happened. It's another, completely different story three different stories that are completely different. So there's this quote where they asked I think his name is jimmy um, the one who was supposedly holding the guy down, holding Gary down and they ask him why is your story changing all the time? Like, like, what's the deal with that? And he says when the trees and the stars are melting, it's hard to remember what was real, so like they're just tripping balls out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, and I'm going. You're going to tell me you were tripping balls and just held someone down while they were screaming. I love my mom and the other one saying say you love the devil right?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's exactly what they said. This is exactly what they said. That's exactly what they did, right? So then, by then. By the way, this all happened on July 4th too, so around this time of year.
Speaker 1:Like a month, yeah, this month, oh we're recording this. Keep forgetting.
Speaker 2:I forget, yeah. So then they take this guy. The other one, Jimmy, they take him to trial Because he's the only one alive.
Speaker 2:that was for sure part of this right right and they try to charge him with second degree murder. Well, when he's on the stand, he's not making any sense because he doesn't remember this. He doesn't remember that. He thinks that there's a lion from a circus that escaped in the woods. It's just crazy stories, so he gets off. So nobody went to prison for this. Fast forward a few years and this guy, jimmy.
Speaker 1:So they don't even hold them.
Speaker 2:Nothing happened to any of them. Well, the one guy killed himself.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But, like the other guys, got off.
Speaker 1:Fucking.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They still held him.
Speaker 2:Yes, they did, but apparently they couldn't really prove it because they were their own witnesses, I guess, or their own.
Speaker 1:their stories were supposed to be used against them, but their stories didn't make any sense still hold them, because why the fuck wouldn't they know if they give you a straight story of I didn't do it?
Speaker 2:okay, which they never did exactly right. They never denied it right, yeah so yeah, and then I don't remember, something happened with this guy, jimmy, where he was arrested sometime like in the early 2000s um, wait this what yeah, the other guy right, let me see if I can get this quickly.
Speaker 1:Jimmy.
Speaker 2:Jimmy, um, so the only thing that popped up was um the original trial, I guess it I guess it was an important case but it was just one trial and done yeah man, this sucks so let's see if I can did he die?
Speaker 1:I'll put some music while you do that so anyway, he got in trouble again, yeah um, apparently it looks like he's on instagram but I don't know um.
Speaker 2:But he did. He got off. So did his other friend. Nobody was really sentenced sentence. I mean, I guess the one guy died right, so that's like one part but still yeah, and so in our episode that we recorded not too long ago, the murderer, or alleged murderer, of Vanessa Guillen also killed himself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it really leaves the girl, the other girl they're sentencing her so she did get sentenced she got sentenced, I think 20 or 30 years something like that. But what I mean is there's something that leaves it like unfulfilled I guess is the way to say it Like when the bad guy kills themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah and you don't get. I guess it's more the thing of like you don't get the real version of what happened.
Speaker 2:The whole story right.
Speaker 1:Or the details of like, why.
Speaker 2:I feel that way also when they plead guilty.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like they don't have to say what happened Nothing else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like yeah, I did it. Yeah, and they just go away and I think it's a chismosa in me that wants to know I mean, I guess that's part of it, but I think there's. There is something closure right, like like they went. Yeah, why? I mean, why the fuck would she even think of just some stabbing someone in the face like?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, this is what I think in this particular case, right, I think I hate people right, like there's people I don't fuck with or don't like them at all and stuff, but I don't think of stabbing and stabbing them on the face where do you think is stabbing them? Not in the face, I think it would be too obvious, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if I could bring myself to stabbing somebody.
Speaker 1:I mean I do carry like a pocket knife, but it's not like I'm stabbing people out here.
Speaker 2:Yet care yet. So, as a person who's been in a lot of fights, there is a situation that happens quitea bit when you're younger and fighting for the first time I have been punched in the face and the person that hit me like freezes up like they get scared that they actually hit someone punched me in the face.
Speaker 1:And I've also seen it the other way, where I've punched people and they just freeze right yeah and you didn't knock them out right, but they were like I think that's in their brain, like they're hoping, like to see something and they don't see it happen and it's like wait yeah like what's the next move, like you don't know what's gonna happen, I don't know. That's why I never got in fights.
Speaker 2:I think I blacked out a lot so my point is I'm bringing this up I mean my adrenaline wouldn't go as much to stabbing someone. I don't think my point is that, like when, when these people who've never been in a fight punch you in the face and they freeze when you stab somebody for the first time, how do you not freeze there too? Do you know what I mean? Like that's so much worse than punching somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he for sure had to get something. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's like some type of adrenaline that kicks in this is what I think he was high he was high. Yes, and this is what I think but how come he remembered most of the?
Speaker 2:maybe he wasn't that high that's what I'm saying. He, I don't think he wasn't as high. So I think this guy, like in his like, fantasized about all this stuff, right, and because you know you're talking about the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders listening to Thunderstruck. That's the same music this guy's getting inspired to murder them. That music doesn't.
Speaker 1:And the girls are over here shaking pom poms yeah.
Speaker 2:It doesn't do that Right. That music is not.
Speaker 1:Legs up high and stuff.
Speaker 2:And so he had to put something into that music that wasn't there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, that was something that was inside of him, not really in the music, right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so I don't think it had anything to do with the music really, like I said, if the Dallas Cowboys are listening to the same music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not over here. Well, we don't know that they're killing body, like killing someone or stabbing it wasn't in the special right, right, and they didn't cover that they didn't cover any.
Speaker 2:Allegedly there's no killing killing from the dallas cowboy cheerleaders, even though they do listen to ACDC clearly.
Speaker 1:A lot, a lot In practice.
Speaker 2:It's a big deal with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think this guy was just evil and he like created.
Speaker 1:He added that spice into.
Speaker 2:And I do think too, because I His cooking. Yeah, yeah, I've seen people that enjoy, other people being scared or other people being uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I think he was just using all this to kind of fuck with people.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean For sure.
Speaker 2:And so if he was a real serial killer, or really as evil as he pretended to be, I think he wouldn't have killed himself and I think he would have killed more people.
Speaker 1:For sure he was I think he just panicked, to be honest, like it was I don't know, I think he knew as a young age and he didn't. He didn't do a whole legacy of you. Know how serial killers go through? A whole bunch of Right. Killing and they get their name, they get their nickname, they get this. They get the fame and all this extra stuff. This guy kind of did it.
Speaker 2:No, he definitely didn't. He came up with his own nickname.
Speaker 1:His own club.
Speaker 2:His own little cult, his silly little cult.
Speaker 1:Other thing one dead body, which was his friend right, that was high yeah how hard is it to kill somebody?
Speaker 2:that's high. It's not that hard I don't think so I mean if they're almost passed out right and bald well, yeah, because they cut his, and so the other thing that this guy he would talk about like that he was suicidal and he would think of killing yourself as being like the next level of getting high. So I think he was kind of already programmed like he was going to kill himself eventually.
Speaker 1:But after one body I mean come on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a little lazy, so let's see how long he died. When he was, he was 17 years old. When he died, he was young.
Speaker 1:I don't know, Maybe he didn't want to deal with his dad telling him like why the fuck would you do that? Or some shit like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and also he didn't want to play football anymore.
Speaker 1:Right, Because that would have been like I told you to play football instead of be out here doing drugs.
Speaker 2:Murdering people.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think we can see like this If this happened in the valley Don't do drugs and people would be like this guy's a Satanist.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you do drugs, stay in your house.
Speaker 2:By yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't take your friends.
Speaker 2:Don't do drugs.
Speaker 1:Take their hair, take their eyes out.
Speaker 2:Don't do drugs with other people or outside of your house with other people. I think that's a less catchy slogan, yeah, but it's more accurate. Keep it to yourself, keep it to yourself, keep your hands to yourself.
Speaker 1:Don't make a club, don't come up with nicknames.
Speaker 2:And definitely don't be doing these homophobic names, because that's uncalled for.
Speaker 1:Stop listening to Thunderstruck.
Speaker 2:So I could see if this happened in the valley and he said it was because he was told by Satan that that would be scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Not like cartoons and soda drinks and things right.
Speaker 1:So I get this one Soda drinks.
Speaker 2:Like monster. People are scared of monster drinks. Energy drinks Because it's like, oh devil Right.
Speaker 1:I mean how red bull is not devilish? I don't think it is. It has wings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's close enough, I think.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:I think so I guess All right. That's it for today. Follow us on all of our socials. We are on youtube, we are on itunes, spotify, apple music wherever you get your podcast wherever we're on facebook, tiktok, I don't think do we have an instagram?
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