Paranormal 956
This is a podcast about the paranormal, especially in deep south Texas, including ghosts, aliens, serial killers, cults and conspiracy theories.
Paranormal 956
Chris Watts
Ever wondered how seemingly perfect lives can unravel into the most chilling of tragedies? Join Bianca and David as they begin with heartfelt Father's Day greetings, sharing personal anecdotes about their own dads and stepdad. Their warm reflections set a serene mood before taking a heart-stopping plunge into the Chris Watts case, a story that gripped an entire community. Bianca paints a vivid picture of Chris and Shanann Watts's life and their sudden, mysterious disappearance, all spurred by the relentless efforts of Shannon's determined friend.
Prepare to be captivated as David brings in insights from various documentaries, shedding light on Chris's unnerving behavior caught on camera. They discuss the strange and telling reactions Chris had to video footage, including his jittery response to a neighbor's surveillance video. The haunting image of a skull in oil and Chris's suspicious actions, noted by his observant neighbor, add layers of complexity to the case. The duo's analysis of these eerie details offers a deeper understanding of human behavior in emotionally charged situations.
To wrap things up, Bianca and David explore the darker aspects of human nature, focusing on the concept of inappropriate affects. They examine Chris Watts's contradictory statements and chilling actions, reflecting on the tragic aftermath of the case. The conversation concludes with an unexpected yet amusing anecdote about a technical glitch in "Jessica Jones," highlighting the importance of keen observation. Despite the grim topics, they end on a hopeful note, reminding listeners to appreciate the good fathers in their lives. Tune in for a gripping and emotional rollercoaster that's both informative and deeply moving.
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hey, hello guys, and welcome back to another episode of paranormal 956. My name is bianca and I'm here with david hello so it's. Is it past father's day? When is Day?
Speaker 2:I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:I've never. I mean, I kind of celebrated it. But I don't even remember at this point I know I got two baby daddies, but I'm not celebrating them. Let me tell you that June 16th Okay, so it's almost going to be Father's Day. This is going to be released on the 14th.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So our Father's day episode, our father's day episode, uh, do you have? A favorite dad, david, so do you want to give a shout out to your favorite dad I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 2:I think one of the things that we get along with is we have a complicated relationship with our fathers right um, but speak for yourself but my stepdad has been amazing. So happy father's day to johnny martinez oh, the one with the ram yes yeah, he's a cool guy yeah, so he is my stepdad.
Speaker 2:That man has been there for me um, and owns a ram, a Dodge Ram. Bianca's a big fan of rams. Big fan, and so they have bonded because they both have rams Right and so. But, yes, happy Father's Day to Johnny. He's my ram dad. He's a cool guy. He's a cool guy, and so can't say that much for my own father, my biological father.
Speaker 1:But Johnny, that's for another story. This is for johnny happy father's day. I mean big shout out for my dad too, right? I mean he's been in and out, but yeah, big shout out for him your dad's a cool guy he's a cool guy he's a cool guy jokes, but he's a cool guy hey, anybody who drinks is good with me, right? Anyways. Um so today let me tell you about a case. I don't know if you heard about it, chris watts oh, you told me about a netflix series.
Speaker 2:Did you see it? I did see it, yes okay okay I watch everything you tell me to watch, right? I don't not true.
Speaker 1:Neither way we send each other the same videos so, so let me tell you chris watts has had had let me pass tense um a wife, a pregnant wife, and two daughters. Okay, cc and bella, nice wife. Shannon, shannon, shannon.
Speaker 2:Let me make it clear, it's not Shannon, shannon so, from what I understood, her family called her Shannon yeah but it's spelled Shannon and so the whole world called her. Yes, it looks a little bit like a misspelling, if I'm honest so online Facebook, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1:They look like a happy family, normal family. Yeah. You know, around the house they did cooking videos holidays.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all American.
Speaker 1:Social events and all that you know. Uh, so let's move forward to I mean, I don't really want to go to the background of her history how she met chris, or you want me to go through it, doesn't?
Speaker 2:matter to me, I mean she was sick.
Speaker 1:She got her own house um. She met chris at her lowest, how she would call it.
Speaker 2:And she had gotten in a car accident.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she had gotten in a car accident. She had lupus yeah she found out she had lupus. And like all this stuff was going, not going her way, health wise.
Speaker 2:Right, she was in a down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she met Chris around that time. He stuck around by her side going through medical process and all that right which is a little weird in retrospect right, but he was there, I guess yeah, she good on him for that time yeah, so on that time, yeah, um, so she was like praises him like he's the best man in the world.
Speaker 1:He stood by my side, he didn't care, he was there for me. You know, whatever they eventually get married. Then they start a family. You know everything's going good, going. She's working, he's working. They got the two daughters. You know everything's going good. Life is life. Yeah, so she goes everything's going good. Life is life. Yeah, so she goes on a business trip and she comes back August 13, like 2 in the morning, I believe.
Speaker 2:So Right, the flight kept getting delayed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And she ends up getting home at 2. Super late.
Speaker 1:Yeah, super late, so she gets home the next day. Well, that morning she was supposed to have a doctor's appointment because she was pregnant right right so the day goes by, her friend, that she went on the business trip with big shout out to her.
Speaker 2:I mean she, yeah, she called everything out so this is what I will say, just to kind of set the scene a little bit. You know, there's a meme that we talk about a lot with these Karens, right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:This is a whole story of Karens, and they got shit done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the Karen that you need.
Speaker 2:These are the good karens, yeah, so because this friend kicked up a storm because she knew in her gut something was wrong yeah from go from like that morning she was trying to break into the house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like legit in a way, she had permission from shannon's mom right right were like no, we need his consent of the husband, Chris. So this is something we talked a little bit off air.
Speaker 2:So this is what we talked about off air. I saw a different documentary.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She had the code, she used the code, yeah, but the door had a chain on it and she couldn't open it all the way. And so she was telling she was on the phone with chris saying, um, I think something's wrong, I'm gonna break the door down. And he kept saying no, no, no, no, I'll be there in a little bit, and so that was already, I think, in her mind like another red flag, because it fits us like put ourselves in that situation you would tell me like go in bianca bust that fucking door down right or vice versa, right, if I said, hey, I think something's wrong with brooke in the house, yeah, knock the door down do what the fuck you need to do, right.
Speaker 2:But and then if the other one's like, I'll be there in five minutes?
Speaker 1:that's weird and he's not even working five minutes away right right so that's weird, okay. So she calls the cops. She's like hey, I think something's up um yeah she's not responding. No movement in the house. The girls are not home, like not even the girls, I mean. The dog is around and the dog is barking, which would clearly alert someone right, they're not waking up. Yeah, they're asleep and it's like everything's off.
Speaker 1:The car is in the house, her car is in the house, right, not moved nothing oh, and there was another thing about her shoes, that her shoes were visible from the doorway yeah, because whenever you like, it's like those rich houses you would say that have the glass like right in front of the hallway yeah, so you can clearly see, like if someone's by the door, what they have on that on that hallway yeah, you know, my house isn't like that no, we don't like that, we're not like that we're not like that if we're gonna kill somebody, we don't want anybody to know allegedly
Speaker 1:allegedly so. We're gonna get so much so david is speaking for himself, other than that, I'm not allowed in his house. So, anyways, uh, so she calls the cops. She tells them like everything's off, like it's not making sense, you know this and this and that. So they the cops there. He's like, well, what are you? And she's like oh, I'm her friend, you know. Yeah, she just told me she had a doctor's appointment. I already called the doctor. They said she didn't show up. So where did she go? She went walking somewhere.
Speaker 1:But her car, her shoes, her car is there, everything's they find her phone wait, wait oh, oh so chris gets there oh he opens the door, right, he's like yeah, yeah, come in. And the cop was like yeah, so they find the phone. He, chris, just keep saying the girls are not here and the blankets are gone. They don't go nowhere without their blankets, right, right. So it's like you don't notice anything else but the blankets and like is there any clothes gone, any other shoes, anything that's missing? He's like, no, just just the blankets, that's all he kind of remembers, yeah right right.
Speaker 1:So it's like shannon stuff, like what's you know, like it's her ring. And then he starts getting nervous. He's like fuck the green, you know like they found. He's like was there any notes in the house? You know any notes with the ring or something that he which would make sense, right, if you're breaking up with somebody. You would leave a note, you're leaving the ring. With the note or something.
Speaker 2:You would take your shoes and your car Right, and you would go with a note or tell somebody Like if it was, or her parents, right, I mean if, if, if me and my wife got in a fight and I'm leaving her and you call me, right, yeah, I don't have anything against you. Why won't I answer your phone? Right, so her friends calling her and she's like I'm going to make her worry, right, you know what I mean. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:No. So whenever they get there, there, they see the phone right and they turn it on right.
Speaker 1:For some reason it's off for some reason another reason, another weird it had a battery right they turn it on and you just keep seeing the messages from chris from her friend yeah and, like you, just see the messages, messages, missed calls, missed calls and yeah it's like why was it off in the first place? But anyways, they leave it on the site yeah they find the ring, it's like something's off, but they can't really put it together right. So, like any cameras, nope, right, no cameras in the house the cops like let me check the neighbors yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like well, let me ask your neighbors, maybe they do have cameras. Okay, go to neighbors. Neighbors like yeah, I have cameras, come on in yeah, so they're like okay, I see cameras and, um, there's like a bit corner that you can see of the house, like in the driveway yeah, it's not very like. It's not like the whole house is visible, right, it's just like a their.
Speaker 2:Their garages seem to be next to each other yeah, and it's one garage.
Speaker 1:Looking at the other garage yes, it's not even the full garage, it's like half of the right of chris.
Speaker 2:Yeah and there's bushes right there, so you can't see all the way to the ground either.
Speaker 1:Right, so they see like movement at four in the morning, four or five in the morning, something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Truck, so she showed up at two.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then he's supposed to be at work at five, but at four something, almost five. You see the truck backing up, backs up.
Speaker 1:You see the truck backing up, backs up into the garage, into the garage. So it's like weird and he tells the cops it's because I have to load up the truck, I have tools, I have this, I have that yeah and then the neighbor doesn't say anything, right, he's just listening. Replaying the video. Keep in mind while they play the video yeah it goes into commercials, it's it's commercials, right I?
Speaker 2:think he's changing the inputs and it goes to a tv show or something like that so on the tv.
Speaker 1:It's like so off, so on the tv. You just see like a pregnancy like a commercial, it's just a fetus in the womb like a cartoonish 3d type of thing, yeah, uh. And then he looks at the cop he's like and she's pregnant, yeah it reminded him it reminded him like right away that she's pregnant.
Speaker 1:And the cop is like okay, nice detail to add on, right, yeah, like write it down, she's pregnant. Uh-, it's like, how far away is she? Like, how far away in the pregnancy is she pregnant? You know like how is it? And he's like is she's like 15 weeks, something like that? It's okay. Like add it up to whatever.
Speaker 2:But the scene changes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he starts pacing and the hands over his head Nervous. So he starts pacing and the hands over his head nervous.
Speaker 2:But the screen changes too.
Speaker 1:Right From the baby, the screen changes from the baby to a skull pulled out of the oil. Oil or like black liquid, yeah it looks weird it looks weird.
Speaker 1:So he's just like looking over the house, like avoiding eye contact, he's like pacing and the cop is like well, you right, thank you, neighbor. Um, uh, we'll just go outside for a bit this and this, and that I'll get more of uh information. I'll see what we can do. We'll get more information of uh, what she looked like, what she was wearing or anything like that, right?
Speaker 1:yeah uh, what she looked like, what she was wearing or anything like that, right, yeah, and the cop makes chris comfortable in leaving the neighbor's house. He's like, yeah, you can go ahead and step outside. I'm just gonna get his details, you know, in case we need to contact him or you know, take custody of the video or something like that. Right, but right now it's just nothing basically in the video, right? So chris was like okay, so the video.
Speaker 1:So Chris was like okay, so he walks out. Right, chris, like nothing, he doesn't overthink it, I guess. And then as soon as Chris closes the door, the neighbor says he's way off, he's weird, he's acting Well and also he almost runs out of the house. Yeah, yeah. So he's like pacing all over the place. He's never like that. He's like usually like super calm super chill like, yeah, he was avoiding everything and anything, at all costs.
Speaker 1:Basically yeah he was overwhelmed just by looking at that video so and he was like he never loads up the truck right and also in that scene.
Speaker 2:So this documentary, one of the things I really thought was cool about it is they only use the cop cam footage yeah, news footage.
Speaker 1:It's like legit.
Speaker 2:It's news footage, their cop cam footage and stuff they got from their Facebooks Right Makes the whole movie. So there's no actors, there's no commentary.
Speaker 1:No acting, there's no nothing, it's just them and so. So there's also video in the house of the cop Right and they're like asking him questions about the girls and stuff like that, like if he remembers anything that happened you know there was a fight or anything like that that had caused her to leave right like this yeah storming out without noticing, like making no one aware of her whereabouts and missing a doctor's appointment and all that right.
Speaker 1:So they're going through like this whole conversation of trying to figure what's going on yeah with the friend chris, everybody in the house, and you just see, like at the corner of the girls room there's like a mirror type of thing, and then by the edge of the door you just see like a dress, a little girl's dress, just like flipping yeah it's like a little slight sight of a girl playing like or, yeah, churning around like. It almost looked like somebody. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:It looked almost like a little girl almost trying to peek too right like it just came out just a little bit from the door right.
Speaker 1:Right. So there's no way Netflix was going to edit that. There's no way. It's the same video on YouTube, the same video on Netflix, the same from a body cap.
Speaker 2:They would add it. You mean yeah, yeah, no, there's no way.
Speaker 1:Or edit it in any way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a body cam when I first saw it. This is the way it looked.
Speaker 1:It's crazy.
Speaker 2:This is the way it looked to me. So there's a TV show that I'm watching with my wife called Jessica Jones.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And it's because it's in the Marvel Universe and we're going through all the TV shows and movies in order, this time right, because we've seen almost all of them, but we never watched Jessica Jonesones, and so this particular tv show is irritating the shit out of me, because sometimes you see the cameraman like hiding in the shadow and he's got the full camera right.
Speaker 1:Earphones and you see the whole.
Speaker 2:Thing yeah, you see him standing there right and, and I think, because I'm not just a fan Like I make videos- Right, so it's like come on. I have a different eye of things. Right, because we were watching this particular episode that I'm talking about and I'm watching and I'm like what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1:Right, right, and Angie's like what, what, what, what, what? It's not like a shadow, no, it's a guy standing there Right.
Speaker 2:No, it's a guy standing there Right. It's not a ghost. It's not a ghost. It's a guy with a camera and he's got his earphones on and a microphone and he's got this huge fucking camera.
Speaker 1:And he's in the shadow and waving and everything.
Speaker 2:And I'm like what the fuck is that? And so there's a lot of things going on in the story and Angie thought she missed something in the story. You're like no, no, no, no. And she's like what happened? What happened, what happened? And I go, the fucking guy's standing right there with the fucking camera, like this is the worst movie ever right, or TV show. And she's like no, and I rewound it, rewound it, rewound it.
Speaker 1:And she sees who's drunk, who, the tv pointing like it's he's right here, watch and she's oh my god, I can't believe they left it, and so my first thought when I saw the video I was like, oh, one of the netflix sound people's back there right, and then I was like, no, wait a minute, it's a little girl, this is well it.
Speaker 2:That's what it looked like to me, though, like somebody was messing around with the sound and they popped out just a little bit, but also it wasn't right and so that's what later I was like oh wait, that wasn't a netflix, like it's not a movie it's a cop's body cam, yeah, and so there's not supposed to be anybody in this house, you know besides chris the friend and her son. I think it is yeah and so it's just, and they're both. They're all standing right there, yeah.
Speaker 1:They're adults. It's not like a midget.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, it was very weird, very weird, and so the thing having. So there's I follow behavior like a lot. So one of the things that during my mental health journey Right, like a lot. So one of the things that during my mental health journey right, I found out that I'm very sensitive to people's behavior.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so, like I can get a good read on people very quickly, right, and so one of my strategies in life is that a lot of people will work on their weaknesses, right. Like part of the reason we met and the reason I went to school for automotive is I didn't know anything about cars. And so Angie was like, well, do you want to go to school? Is there something you've always wanted to learn about? And I was like I don't know anything about cars. When we started school, I had not even changed oil before.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so some people do that where they're like they have a weakness. I work on that. I actually do the other way.
Speaker 1:I do the other way. I'm strong with human behavior. I study human behavior more well.
Speaker 2:You're not a counselor or some shit like that I'm not, but it works very well for me okay because I can tell when people are lying. I can a lot of stuff like that and so there is a saying in body language. Okay that when people are telling the truth. They tell the story. When people are telling the truth, they tell the story. When people are lying. They sell the story, Okay. Yeah, that's true, and so in this particular interview, when he's talking about it.
Speaker 1:That's what I used to do for sales.
Speaker 2:He starts talking about somebody tried to break into his garage using a screwdriver. He starts talking about all this other stuff. Whereas, like, if I ask you like right now were you in China on Tuesday? No, you weren't. You just tell you the truth. You just tell people the truth. But, were you over here where you weren't supposed to be.
Speaker 1:Well, that was a hard day, well sunday I was at my mom's and then I went over monday I had a headache.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wasn't feeling myself yeah and so that's what he was doing, if you pay attention, like he's talking about a bunch of stuff. And another thing is, while they're watching the video, I thought first when I saw him he's looking at his phone. Oh yeah, he's not looking at the video, no. And so at first I was like, well, he must have a smaller screen. He's looking at the video on his phone, no. And then I was like, wait a minute, this is the neighbor's video. It is, and so he already knew it was on the video, so he doesn't need to look at the video. He's looking at his phone. And the thing that you know, we have our little inside joke that we talk about dumb criminals, right, right, we have our dumb criminal moment in this situation. Basically, he kills his kids and he tells the school that he's's taking him out.
Speaker 1:He's right after, yeah, that same day that morning make any sense that morning he's taking him out. He already called the realtor. Like hey, I'm gonna sell the house. He's gonna sell the house the same day too he's already gonna sell the house um, he's like dude, have a little bit of patience um, it's like dude, have a little bit of patience, and that's why it didn't take that long from august 13 that it happened he was arrested august 15, two days, two days later.
Speaker 1:So he he called the school to tell them that he was pulling his kids out of school, yeah, and then, like later in the day, called to see if they'd seen him right you see my kids I know I took about, but stupid man, this guy so dumb so I think what really put him into perspective that something was going on also when, like, the interview was happening and all that stuff, also when the interview was happening, and all that stuff he felt the polygraph. Polygraph, yeah, he felt it. They tell him like hey, just come clean, you know, we already know you're lying. He's like no, I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 2:So this lady that polygraph was genius the way she set him up. Yeah, she, she was genius because she starts by saying the cool thing about the polygraph is one of us knows the truth, and by the end of this we'll both know the truth. That immediately set him up. And then she goes through the second thing she really pushed him to the edge.
Speaker 2:Because then she says what we're going to do is I'm going to have you lie for real so that we both know, so I can see what it looks like. And then she goes oh, oh, has anybody ever told you you're a terrible liar? I could see it all over your face. This is going to be super easy yeah it's like fucking shit like fucking bitch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you know what I mean. Like she set him up so bad because she was like oh, it's so easy to tell. Like you're so dramatic when you lie. And then he started, did you see? Is it part of the video that we watched? Or did. I see it somewhere else where he does the polygraph.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't see the one part.
Speaker 2:He's all freaking out the whole time and she's like I need you to calm down. I need you to calm down.
Speaker 1:And he's like I can do it. Yeah, he's like well, she did it. She killed our daughters yeah and I killed her out of rage. Right and they're like no.
Speaker 2:So this is the thing right.
Speaker 1:So the fact that he tried putting the blame on her for killing the daughters.
Speaker 2:That's pretty shitty. I mean, that's pretty bad. But this is the thing he in that story said that she had already killed one and was killing the second one. When he saw her, like on the video or something like that he said he saw—he caught her killing the second one. And then that's when he killed her. But this is the thing. Yeah, if you found your kids dead and you knew that your wife had just done it, there's an ambulance you can call. Right, that didn't happen, nope. And so it seems like, even if that was, I get killing the wife, but I mean you got to call 911 first. Right, like she kills your kids. Right, you're going to stop her. I get it, her, I get it. I get that. But yeah, yeah, but same same thing with the whole thing with your kids being dead or dying right, there's a time limit on this. Like priorities, man, you gotta save your kids, yeah, right. And so that seemed like a major hold to me too, because he's like, yeah, she killed him and then so I killed her, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Well, there's got to be an ambulance called somewhere also it's like he didn't have any scratching or wounds on him of her if she was awake right killing her daughters yeah and he tried stopping her. I would think she was like hey, don't kill me, bitch right.
Speaker 2:So that's something that I didn't feel like. This documentary even went through. No, this is what I learned on a different documentary. So do you remember them saying how many documentaries did you watch? A couple of them, okay but do you remember them saying that they had gone on a trip and she got really sick?
Speaker 2:yeah do you know why she was sick? Because they didn't go through it on the Netflix documentary. No, he gave her oxycodone for a headache to try to get her to miscarry and it got her super sick Right. So, having known that and oxycodone, Right. He probably drugged her because he didn't have any scratches on him nothing and so if he's your example, was him trying to stop from killing the daughter?
Speaker 1:yeah, let's say like they got in a fight right, he didn't have any scratches not even a punch, not even no bruise, nothing.
Speaker 2:and so the way he tells the story is when he went to choke her, she never fought back that makes zero sense.
Speaker 1:No, zero sense. Like if someone's choking me, regardless of who you are, I'm punching, like I'm punching, I'm fucking fighting for my life.
Speaker 2:He made it sound like she was like I deserved it. Go ahead and choke me. It makes no sense. No Like, put me to sleep, yeah. Like no, makes no sense. No Like, put me to sleep, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like no, that doesn't make any sense. Like anyone you choke is going to get to a point like, hey, stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 2:But even without there's no situation, even if, like, we're just fooling around wrestling. Right. And I put you in a dangerous position and you panic because you feel like that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm going to die. You're going to do something.
Speaker 2:Scratching, bruising, punching, kicking Made zero sense, but the documentary didn't even go into that. Yeah, so he had drugged her before and tried to get her to miscarry.
Speaker 1:So once they investigate Chris, let's move on forward, because there's more factors to the story. Yeah this is just the beginning, it's the tip of the iceberg, so they investigate chris. They're like, okay, you know, we found out that you have, you had or have, a mistress, which is nicole, I believe yeah, so there's two nicoles, her best friends, and nicole, and then this one they call nik is his mistress, nikki the mistress. Yeah, yeah, so they had been going on trips, they were hanging out, they were having dinners, stuff like the dates. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we don't know how or what the conversation was like Right Between them, yeah, or what the conversation was like Right Between them, yeah, that I do believe. I believe, yeah, it pushed Chris To making a decision of it's Niki over my family. Yeah, but he clearly wanted to erase his past Asap.
Speaker 2:That's the thing that doesn't really so. In this other documentary they interview the girlfriend. Right. And they ask her did you know he was married? And she's like no and she says I was told they were separated.
Speaker 1:They were separated and they were going to get a divorce. That's why she left Chris and she went over to her family's.
Speaker 2:Right, that was Chris's excuse and she went over to her family's Right, that was Chris's excuse, and she was there for a long time. Yeah, five weeks or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that. So the girlfriend, the mistress, thought it was really happening that they were going to get a divorce Right.
Speaker 2:And so in the interview that I saw, she didn't think that he was going to be a widow. So in the interview that I saw they asked her did you know that he had kids?
Speaker 2:And she starts to laugh and they go and she goes yeah, and she laughs and he goes am I sensing some sarcasm there? And then she goes no, it's cute, like real, just a weird, like what would you laugh? Like, first the laugh was laugh, was weird. And then when he said, are you being sarcastic, like he didn't know, because he's asking her a serious question, did you know he had kids when y'all were, you know, doing your thing? And she laughed yeah, and then he goes. Did you know, is that sarcasm?
Speaker 2:like and she goes yeah, I thought it's cute, but it was like you know, and so there's this thing. Back to behavior. Right Called an affect, right, and so so is that defensive?
Speaker 2:So an affect is how do you react? Right, and so like if if somebody came up to you and said somebody that you care about is hurt and you're like, oh no, right, that's your affect, right, right, and so sometimes you can have the wrong affect. And so like if somebody says like in this case, these dead kids and everybody knows they're dead already right, right did you know he had kids and you laugh.
Speaker 2:It's like laughing at a funeral, you know, like it's just weird, like why did like? I know people who do that. Like I remember I'm not going to say his name, but this person that I met his grandmother died and I said, hey, I heard your grandmother died and he laughed and he goes yeah. And it was like what. But that particular person they're very uncomfortable with like emotional stuff, and so it's like a nervous laugh but it comes across super weird okay.
Speaker 1:So here comes to a tiktok that I saw, okay, where they show the video of him loading up the truck. Going back to the, the neighbor's footage, they claim. Well, people claim not they. People claim in TikTok that they see another person in the video, like it's Chris, and they see another adult in the video. But also Chris claims he just threw Shannon in the truck and he put in the like the girls were still alive when he took them on the 45 minute trip.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to the oil thingies so I've watched that video and I've seen little strips of it. I didn't see another person right, did see him putting in like a little girl's backpack. Right, I did see that like a pink backpack. So it's so it's. Or maybe it was the blanket. Maybe it was the blanket.
Speaker 1:Because he kept mentioning the blankets, regardless, like that's something stuck in his memory, is like the blankets, the blankets, the blankets, right, right, but also he wrapped them around, the blankets Did he, he smothered them with the blankets. Yeah, he smothered them with the blankets. So it's like the blankets like really stuck with him, smothered them.
Speaker 2:yeah he smothered them with the blanket. So it's like the blankets like really stuck with him. So another thing that, another thing that I saw in the second documentary, is that he choked the daughters first, but he didn't kill them. He basically made them go unconscious. He thought he had killed them and then that's when he killed the wife. And when he killed the wife the girls basically woke up and went into the room and saw them and she's like laying face down on the bed and he.
Speaker 2:so one of the things that they didn't talk about in the in the netflix documentary but is talked about in this other one is that he met an author. They kind of bring her up very shortly, I think, in the Netflix. He starts writing letters to this author and she writes a book on all his letters, and so one of the things this is one of the things he talks about the book that I told you that Chris did that.
Speaker 1:he talks about seeing his daughter, I think Cece, in the cell. Is it the same book?
Speaker 2:Maybe I don't think there's a lot of books it probably is the same. It's probably that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so he talked about that he had choked him unconscious and then he thought he had killed him, but he didn't. And then they came in and walked in on him and he talks about being upset that they're there and he has to kill him quote, unquote again. And so he what? Yeah, and so in this book he he's real cold-blooded in this book. And so he talks about loading up the, the wife's body into the car and then getting the girls to get into the car and they're saying that they need their car seats and he's like I will be fine this one time. And he drives them out to the oil fields and they're like falling asleep in the back seat on top of each other, and and then he talks about how he went through all of that. And it's just so. It doesn't make sense to me that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You drove with your kids 45 minutes and you didn't think like, let me spare them.
Speaker 2:It doesn't just get rid of the wife I mean I've been divorced so I don't understand the killing of the wife. Like you can get divorced, you know what I mean. It works out like I'm fine, it's not that bad yeah I don't even know where she's at, you know it's their own so I don't get the whole. Well, gotta kill them. It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't, and so even with uh, I mean cheating, cheating, I guess, makes more sense.
Speaker 1:But still the whole other part is like Well, anyways, they kind of figured out that it was him. Yeah. He tried selling the house. He already called the school so stupid. Then, like any other detail like you mentioned to me on the chat, you're like, no like. Do you know how big your daughter is? How?
Speaker 2:much. She weighs Right, right, right.
Speaker 1:I'm like I have no fucking idea.
Speaker 2:That doesn't make any sense either, because they asked him like well, how tall is your daughter? And he's like well, she's 42 inches and this many pounds. And your other daughter, she's 37 inches and this many pounds. Like who the fuck knows those details? No like no, it's just weird, because if you ask me, I mean, I don't have kids, I can barely have dogs.
Speaker 1:I guess, well, how, how, how much does lego weigh?
Speaker 2:so with her. I remember from the last doctor's visit which was how long ago. Two weeks ago. Okay, she's 86 pounds.
Speaker 1:Okay. Which is recently from two weeks ago. Right Makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah and so, but like I don't know how tall my wife is, I don't know how tall you are. I don't know how tall. You don't keep track, I don't keep track of those things. You know what I mean, and I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if we go missing, even though we know each other that much.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:No idea.
Speaker 2:About this tall right Using your hand to measure yeah Right, how heavy is she? About like this big Using your arms Like round-ish? Yeah, like 3X. I don't know figure it out, yeah work reverse engineer yeah, no, it's he had a lot of really strange details and then so did. Did we go through what happened with the daughters?
Speaker 1:oh, so he basically went out there to the fields where they have like this big, like oil tanks yeah some shit like that, and he pushed them, he well, he shoved them through this. What is a nine inch, eight inch pipe, eight inch pipe hole?
Speaker 2:so, considering that they were, like what, four years old and three years old and they were about 43, 42 inches tall. I don't know how they fit in that. No way, I don't know how they fit in that. And then this is the other thing he put them in different tanks.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's also weird to me.
Speaker 1:So you went all the way up to one tank, came all the way down, went to the other tank all the way up.
Speaker 2:So what he said was and this is disturbing, really disturbing to me is he killed the younger one, first Right, and he put her in the tank. And then the other daughter watched and she asked him if he's going to do the same to her yeah. And so he says he doesn't remember what he told her.
Speaker 2:But he basically said yes, but he killed her and he said later that she was the only one that fought and he said once he so he buried the wife in the field. And so the police, when they have him there and they're investigating or interrogating him, they're sending drones out there to take pictures, because they got GPS on his truck Right and so they knew where he had been. And so they start taking pictures of drones and you see the ground where he dug the wife Right and their sheet that was. The other thing is, when the police went in, they didn't have any sheets on the bed. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is weird, right.
Speaker 1:And he says, says oh, it's because every time she goes on a trip, she washes the sheets, as I know.
Speaker 2:Why don't you just take a shower before she goes to bed? Come on, you know what I mean? It's a lot of these. Things didn't make any sense. And so what was I getting out? Oh, so they have all the pictures and everything like that, and the sheets are out there in the oil field and it's like oh, these kind of match, those sheets that are supposed to be on your bed. It doesn't make any sense and so that's another red flag. Yeah, this guy was just full of them. Like this guy was like a.
Speaker 1:He wasn't trying to get caught, but he was trying to get caught.
Speaker 2:Man. He couldn't have done a better job of getting caught if he tried. I don't think. Like getting caught if he tried. I don't think like he would have had to murder people in on live tv to, because this was pretty bad, the thing that I mean. This isn't disturbing in the same way as killing your daughter, like I said, but the fact that he gets so much fan mail from women is another really weird you think him and nicole are still a.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 2:So they're not, so I know this Allegedly so.
Speaker 1:she tried. You already talked to Nicole.
Speaker 2:I called her? No, I didn't call her, but so apparently she tried to change her name. They don't know if it went through or not, but she did file an application to change her name. She's no longer in that town, so I don't know if she's still in Colorado or not. I do know that he tried to reach out to her and she didn't want anything to do with him, but there are a lot of women that are sending him fan mail and all of this stuff, right, and so that's another thing that's really hard for me to understand, because the only thing that I can kind of get in my mind and I know this because, you know, growing up a jehovah's witness we weren't really allowed to date, and so a lot of people had, like girlfriends on the other side of the country, true, so that you, you weren't going to sleep with them accidentally it's just like a it's like you're in a relationship, but not really yeah, it's like a companionship type of and you know he's not going to cheat because he's stuck in that jail unless he's gay, but yeah
Speaker 1:yeah who knows? So yeah so, anyways, he does get caught and they sentence him to life in prison which is okay. Yeah, it is what it is to life in prison, which is okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:It is what it is, so happy Father's Day.
Speaker 1:Yep, make better choices, guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I do think there's a bit of cowardness in like cheating in general, because if you were going to do something like that, just get out. Yeah, you know what I mean. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:It doesn't.
Speaker 2:And I don't think you definitely don't have to kill anybody. And go through all that trouble for what? And you know the thing. When he finished killing everybody and he put the last daughter in the in the oil tank yeah, he says this first thought was did I put the dog in the cage?
Speaker 1:which he didn't it's so messed up that like he's so calloused about it too so he's like oh shit, I gotta go back to work, which actually people actually like that went in for like rescue or whatever, like what was it the dog sniffing?
Speaker 2:they did mention like it was super clean, it was super like organized, it was weird yeah, so I think that had to do with the wife, though, because she seemed like she was meticulous about things like that the wife, though, because she seemed like she was meticulous about things like that which great from her too, yeah, well, but yeah, good news is for today everybody, mostly everybody, has a better dad than this guy we hope so yeah, happy father's day everybody happy father's day we will see y'all or talk to you next time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bye, bye.
