Paranormal 956
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Paranormal 956
The Killer Clown of Brownsville
In this episode we discuss the Killer Clown Fiasco that hit the United States and the World in 2016, especially the part of the story that involves Brownsville.
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Hey, so basically I came over to the what's it called the undisclosed location.
Speaker 2:The undisclosed location.
Speaker 1:And David has a drink named after his wife.
Speaker 2:It's called La Chichuana.
Speaker 1:Exactly, I don't know. I'm not the one here to confirm. Haven't even tried the drink, haven't even tried the wife, so let's leave it at that. Okay, so Bianca's been drinking and I have not the one here to confirm.
Speaker 2:Haven't even tried the drink, haven't even tried the wife, so let's do it at that. Okay, so Bianca's been drinking and I have not, so you may notice a slight difference.
Speaker 1:Anyways, so he made this what's it called. Well, it started off as a it started off as like a ghetto, margarita. A cheap margarita.
Speaker 2:let's call it that so instead of like lemon lime mix I was using like a Sprite.
Speaker 1:Sprite Diet Sprite.
Speaker 2:Let's make it clear yeah, also true.
Speaker 1:Suckier, so it's a Diet Sprite. And what was it, lalo?
Speaker 2:Lalo Tequila.
Speaker 1:Lalo Tequila.
Speaker 2:Triple sec.
Speaker 1:Shot of triple sec shot of triple sec right. And then edgy was like let's add tajin, right, and I was like I think I'm gonna need a little bit more than that. So david's like, oh, there's chamoy. And then I get the chamoy right and like well, you know, you guys know how chamoy is like pretty thick, so I was trying to pour it like little by little, but just you just see the chunk, yeah, then we tried.
Speaker 2:It was pretty good, yeah. So what are we calling this new drink we invented today?
Speaker 1:the joke the joke named after. You just see the chuck. Yeah, all came at once. Then we tried it. It was pretty good yeah.
Speaker 2:So what are we calling this new drink we invented today?
Speaker 1:The Joke.
Speaker 2:The Joke Named after Bianca Right, and so what are we talking about today, now that we?
Speaker 1:The Joke no. The Joker, whoa no.
Speaker 2:Okay, like I said, bianca's been drinking a little bit. We were talking about the killer clown fiasco of 2015, and so I guess I'll start. It started in green bay, wisconsin, if I remember right. Okay, and so the whole thing that started was there was these guys making a movie, like making fun of either John Wayne, gacy or it, or something like that, and so they were making fun of this with a movie.
Speaker 1:Right, right right.
Speaker 2:So kind of like think about like scary movie or not another teen movie they were trying to do that jokes, yeah, just jokes. And so what they did to kind of get publicity is they got this it looked a lot like it, the clown, right, and they would just show up at really weird places, right, and just stand there and just freak people out, right right, just random just random, and so somebody took a picture or video of these clowns started going and it went viral, and so, shortly after that, um, it started happening all over the world.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right. And so what I didn't realize until doing my research on this. By the way, this was all recommended to us by one of our listeners Alan Pace is his name.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Listens to us out of San Diego.
Speaker 1:Big shout out to Alan.
Speaker 2:Right Shout out over there Gave us this idea. He gave us another one that I need to do some more research on, because it's a pretty disturbing story. I don't know how to tell it, it's so messed up, but eventually we'll get to that one, but we're going to get to that one. But we are grateful that he sent us this story, not realize that this also corresponded and this was something that I asked you, if you wanted me to tell you earlier and you said let's wait for the episode okay it corresponded with the release of pokemon go.
Speaker 2:Nah yeah, so pokemon go. I don't know were you into pokemon or were you aware of any of that no okay until brooklyn.
Speaker 2:Okay, right, right, okay. So when Pokemon Go came out, it was like everywhere, and so, for those of you who don't know, this is going to be a little weird flex. But I'm a level 50 Pokemon Go player. I'm one of the. I'm the highest level that you get, right, right, I'm the highest level you get, so I take Pokemon Go seriously. I started playing way back then. Right On the highest level you get, so I take Pokemon.
Speaker 2:Go seriously, I started playing way back then, right, right, and so what was happening was is these kids were like addicted right, and so parents were getting real scared.
Speaker 2:Okay, and so kids are not looking where they're going and they're walking into places they're not supposed to go, etc. Etc. There was a lot of bugs, I guess, at the beginning, and so people were going places they weren't supposed to go. They were doing things they weren't supposed to do. I went one time in a place in dallas and there was like a rare pokemon popped up and so many people started running that people started getting hurt. What?
Speaker 2:it was like super crazy in the beginning and so it's died down like we've kind of figured out, we grew up right like we learned how to play and you know blah, blah, blah, right and so staying safe, but at the time, the way the game works is that it keeps track of your gps right and, depending on where you are, those kinds of pokemon are going to pop up and there's things you can interact with in the real world, etc.
Speaker 2:etc. And a lot of parents weren't comfortable with that, right, because this game is watching my kids 24 seven.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so there was a lot of this kind of paranoia, right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so there started to be these rumors that these kids were getting lured into these places with these rare Pokemon and that clowns are killing them and all this weird stuff. One of these people that was doing a prank and I don't remember exactly where it was, but somebody dressed up as a clown and was trying to scare somebody that clown ended up getting killed because the person freaked out and stabbed the clown to death right right and so this was in multiple countries.
Speaker 1:It was in I mean there were at some point there were. There were actually clowns following people, like running behind them and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So it got like A lot of traction. Yeah, a lot of people were, so it got to the paranoid Right, right People like around. So let's bring this home Right 2015. What was going on in your life and what do you remember about that?
Speaker 1:2015, 2016 I was in high school.
Speaker 2:That's around the time I got pregnant, more or less so the clowns were out and you were meeting some of them but that's not the one that got me pregnant.
Speaker 1:Good to know they were out and about and you were meeting some of them, apparently, but that's not the one that got me pregnant, though, oh, okay. Good to know. Anyways, that's the joke.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that was yeah, I was in high school already. I was in Porter, then I moved over to Lincoln. Let, let me bring it out. Let me I don't know, if you knew this. But in porter, yeah, we did have our killer clown.
Speaker 2:Episode scary clown scary clown and what was? What was?
Speaker 1:the story with that with that, so I wish it was that scary, but it's not a story.
Speaker 2:Valley version yeah the valley version, so it was more like oh no, jesus christ so basically everybody went to school that morning. At Porter.
Speaker 1:At Porter High School in Brownsville, Texas. You guys can look this up. Oh, yeah, yeah, I think the guy got arrested. He got arrested.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a picture, right.
Speaker 2:There is a picture. Yeah, okay, I'm planning on manipulating it to be our thumbnail. Anyways, I'm not trying to dox this person. He was a kid at the time yeah, he was a kid at the time you know, and it was porter, so what do you expect?
Speaker 1:so but, moving forward. Uh, it was during the class, so it was like in the middle of class, I guess, and people started reporting that there was a guy dressed up as a clown walking around school grounds, this and this and that yeah so they reported it. They're like locked down. Locked down cops come over, they search the school, they find the guy, they take him into custody. I guess yeah I don't know if he got charged for anything.
Speaker 2:To be honest, I think he did um. What did I?
Speaker 1:I had it looked up somewhere but I mean um no weapons were mentioned that I know of, uh like if he had a bat or a knife or anything like that. No, yeah, so this is the thing that I guess he was just walking around in school as a clown yeah, and I remember reading about you were in high school, in porter high school no, no, no, no, I actually didn't.
Speaker 2:I'm like you. I think that's one of the reasons we get along. I didn't spend much time in high school either. I mean, it's not that I got pregnant I was pregnant.
Speaker 1:I was pregnant, I was just a loser.
Speaker 2:It's a little different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wasn't getting laid in high school, different type of losers, but anyways, right, cheers to that, cheers to that and so what was I gonna get at?
Speaker 2:so he was arrested right and I remember there was a in my research when I was talking with alan about this. I looked up a lot of stuff and the, the superintendent and the principals and everybody came out right, right, like really strong.
Speaker 1:As if, and it was like we're not going to tolerate, you know, and all this stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so this is kind of where, like I said, first of all, I think, because of the show that we do, even I'm not really that scared of things too often, right, right, I mean, I hang out at cemeteries quite a bit, I go to haunted places yeah I'm not easily scared.
Speaker 2:Sure, this guy's just dressed as a clown, like it's not, like he didn't have a weapon, didn't have a weapon, he wasn't aggressive, and everybody freaks out, yeah and so I kind of get where you like, where you're coming from, like I totally get it.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna be honest with you if he was being aggressive to other students right if he was like knocking on doors, knocking on windows, right something right I'd be like okay, yeah, like we're not gonna tolerate that because I'm gonna be honest with you, although I didn't go to high school down here right, I did live down here during my high school age years, right I was already kicked out of school, but I was living in harlingen at the time why you dressed up as a clown too well. No, that's not what I was going to get at, but a lot of the ladies that I went to college with did their makeup like clowns right and nobody told them shit.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. It's like these ladies are caking this stuff on right, and it's like you can't just go around arresting people because you don't like the way they do their makeup. You know what I mean? That's, that's just what I think true, right, and so if we go around arresting people because we don't like the way that they do their makeup, like right or the way they dress.
Speaker 2:Let's put it at the way that they dress the masks that they wear, like, if we do that, china's already won, the devil already won, right? I mean that's how I feel, yeah, and so there's a thing called that's how he feels.
Speaker 1:Guys, that'd be.
Speaker 2:I didn't say anything do you know what the uncanny valley is?
Speaker 1:no, what's that?
Speaker 2:so an uncanny valley is like a psychological I don't know if it's like a phenomenon, I guess is the best way to say it. So clowns, okay, look, but they're just a little bit off right, like their makeups are exaggerated or their hair is exaggerated. Their shoes are bigger.
Speaker 1:So when you?
Speaker 2:look at them, you don't see a human being. You see something close to a human being, but not exactly. But a cartoon version of it, okay, and so sometimes, like whenever you do you remember when we first came up with the idea of this and I took our graduation picture, right and I I elongated everybody else's faces except ours, right, and it looks super creepy. Right, all our classmates yeah right.
Speaker 2:It looks super creepy because they look human, but not really exactly off off, right, right and then so the same thing like when you think about Annabelle the movie it's like a doll. It's a doll that's not really human, it's human-like, but not exactly that kind of creepiness that you get with those types of things. Some people feel that way about mannequins.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's true.
Speaker 2:And so there's these different things that are very human-like but they're not exactly human-like very human-like, but they're not exactly human-like.
Speaker 1:I think aliens can do that. I think even it gets to a point where your brain triggers it like it's human it's human, but it's not.
Speaker 2:But it's not so like like have you ever seen those movies? There's one, I think it's called her and it's a robot girl. I think yeah, and like, so her head doesn't look right. And like she looks real human but not really, and it's like, or like sex dolls, or know like. It goes on and on.
Speaker 2:Even some people Sex dolls, anyways, but like you could even say to the extent, like some people with plastic surgery, that like they've gone really extreme, they're starting to look less human. Like you've heard of these, they call them cat women that look like cats.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:And it just like there's this creepiness element, but it doesn't mean that they're dangerous.
Speaker 1:No, it's just.
Speaker 2:But I think that's kind of what was going on here. It's like I get, if the teachers are upset that you're disrupting class but arresting, you know what I mean. Like I think it's because everybody the reason people are scared of clowns is it's just something off.
Speaker 1:Different.
Speaker 2:Different yeah. Because, really, what are you scared of a clown for?
Speaker 1:I mean not like they interviewed him and like asked him, like hey, so what's up? Yeah.
Speaker 2:This is another thing that I think schools do especially, and maybe high schools especially especially, is like one kid does this and now all the kids you know, especially because at the time it's like going viral I mean I might as well. Porter was a bunch of clowns it's true, I should have really worked on some sounds for this.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to say it builds character, sure, I mean.
Speaker 2:Is there any situation? That you have been in where you saw something that was kind of innocent, the way a clown would be right, just a clown Right. But then you felt, felt, even if it was for like a moment like just really scared, and then you're like, oh shit, no like, and you like you know what I mean like you kind of shake yourself out of it. Do you ever have anything like that?
Speaker 2:I don't think so so the first time I ever saw a little person was at a circus, and they were dressed as a clown okay and I was probably four or five and I could not get my head around what I was looking at, and so I wouldn't say that I was scared, but I was really confused and they like gave out these coloring books at the circus. And they gave me one because I'm like a little bitty kid, right, and the clowns were in the coloring book that they gave me oh, so what's that?
Speaker 2:like it was them them it was them, them like they were characters it wasn't just a clown, no, it was them in a book yeah, and so I guess, like you're supposed to remember what colors they were wearing and color it when you get home.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but I remember looking. I was remembering looking through the coloring book and you see the giraffes and you see the elephants and you see the clowns, and then there's clowns and all this stuff and and then the thing starts and you know you have giraffes in your coloring book and elephants and lions, and then you see them in it. You don't really there's nothing freaks you out about that. But then you start to see the clowns that are in your coloring book and you're like I'm in another planet here.
Speaker 1:It's the same size as the coloring book.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? And especially being that young, and it was just like what is happening right now. Because he had this big oversized hat and these big, huge hands. His hands were real big and he was my height, like a little bit taller than me, and I'm like four.
Speaker 1:Well, keep in mind, you're kind of big.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it was very weird and so clearly I wasn't in any danger. But as a kid I do remember kind of what you know. And I wasn't a dumb kid so I figured it out pretty quickly.
Speaker 1:But it was one of those. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it took you like two years, yeah. In the writing of this episode I figured out.
Speaker 2:You're like oh, it's a little person. I thought they washed them and he shrunk.
Speaker 1:I don't think I had a crucial like brain, but I mean it could be anything right Like it could be, anything right like it could be.
Speaker 2:I don't know like some people are scared of priests. You know, like nuns kind of freak me out a little bit, yeah well. I mean I never went to a catholic school, so like nuns are like all from like well the nun movie. What freaks me out? Like nuns are like all from like well the nun movie.
Speaker 1:What freaks me out? What Good question, good fucking question.
Speaker 2:Do you have any phobias at all? No, While you're thinking of that, I'm going to share mine.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So I'm not scared of animals in general. Right, I do wildlife photography, so I'm around snakes and all kinds of animals.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I'm even around roaches periodically. When a roach starts flying, though, all bets are off. I mean it's not. I don't like flying roaches.
Speaker 1:It's not like I'm screaming like oh shit. David like kill it Like no, it's just like it's flying Like oh shit, ok move.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I would totally move. I would just pack my shit up and I would move. No, not move like that we're the same Same thing.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no no no, yeah, that sounded like a clown show right there different buzzers no, it's just like move, like move out of the way, like not land on me, but I'm like getting a new identification, changing my name. I'm starting a new life uh, I mean not even spiders, like if I see one like just walking, I'm like, oh shit, there's a spider, you know. All right, I don't know what really freaks me out.
Speaker 2:You have like a different. You don't get scared, but you get grossed out easily.
Speaker 1:Fuck you, I knew it.
Speaker 2:But it's like something different. Right, I'm not going, I'm not gonna. Yeah, see like you're already getting shaky people, wouldn't? Want to hear you gag you're kidding, it's not gonna be me. It's not gonna be me. It's not gonna be me. But see how you're getting like that's the anxiety. Yeah, that's the anxiety that a person would get if they were scared. What?
Speaker 1:david is seeing right now is me just pulling my face Like if I'm fucking like a crazy person.
Speaker 2:I learned about this by complete accident, trying to be a good guy. No, I learned about it completely by accident.
Speaker 1:Harmlessly. He found out. Well, everybody found out in class.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I'm going to tell this story Grossed out and I'm not going to provoke you. Yes, so I'm going to tell this story Grossed out and I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to provoke you. Right, I'm going to, I'm going to tell the story. So, one of my favorite things, Even thinking about it.
Speaker 1:I can't. It's just.
Speaker 2:One of my favorite things is salted caramel.
Speaker 1:It's fucking gross.
Speaker 2:And Disgusting. So I'm in class and I'm telling everybody about it and nobody had had salted caramel at the time at least the group that we're in. We're working on.
Speaker 1:I think it was me, pancho Smiley Edgar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the team and me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we're working on a transmission.
Speaker 1:Allegedly.
Speaker 2:We're working on transmission, and with me I'm always talking during everything, sure, everybody. And it's not even about transmission, no, we're just. And I think I was hungry at the time. I felt like, what's your favorite dessert? Blah, blah, blah. And so I tell you all that I like salted caramel. Yeah, and Smiley, one of our friends.
Speaker 1:The stupidest one. Yes, he's not that smart, um, but anyway, it's like he couldn't get his head around salt on caramel, like it didn't make any sense, and so we're good he's stupid and so we're gonna break for lunch, and so I'm like you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go to the store, I'm gonna buy some salted caramels because this I love it, it, I love it, I love it. And so I bring it back and it's not exactly what I was talking about, but I felt like it was close enough.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so you were super skeptical, yeah, like you didn't even want to try it. No, you're. You're one of those that if it looks weird, you don't want to eat it, right, or if it sounds weird you don't want to try it. If it smells, sounds, yeah, looks off, I'm not, she's not gonna try it, she's not gonna look at it, she's not gonna anything. And so I gave her one. It's in her hand and smiling, just he just eats it. And so you look at him and it looks like, okay, he's surviving this, it doesn't look so bad. And so you start like opening it up and right when you're about to eat it, he starts making gross sounds, like it makes him sick or whatever like that.
Speaker 1:Like throwing up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not going to do it because Bianca gets super pissed and she reacts violently.
Speaker 1:It's gross guys, I can't.
Speaker 2:So I'm not going to make these noises, I'm not going to do anything, I'm going gross guys, I can't. So I'm not gonna make these noises I'm not gonna do anything.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm having a hard time looking at you.
Speaker 2:Probably people out there that like go through the same shit as me, I 100 agree with you and I'm gonna podcast yeah, I know, I know and I'm gonna just let our listeners know that me looking at you right now and the agony that you're going through, it's hard for me me to talk about this, but he was making these like he was getting sick or whatever.
Speaker 2:I looked like a fucking crackhead scratching my head basically Not my head, my face and then you reacted way more than he was, pretending you were doing it for real, yeah, and so that's how I learned about your sensitivity. So you don't. Generally, and I, we've been in a lot of hairy situations, okay, so that's a saying. It's a saying. It doesn't mean what you think. It means we have been. We live in Brownsville. Yeah, we went to school in bronzo. You live in bronzo. We walk downtown at night. We've been in situations that could be scary and right, and you're not a chicken shit, you don't.
Speaker 1:No no, no, you just have this other thing I had to like basically toughen it up in that sense right, and I think that's what it is. I think that it's because but when it comes to like, I'm not going to say food wise, because in a way it's kind of like food, but it's more of so of gross. Yeah, if I hear people throwing up, it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So I can't.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:And if I see it, that's it, I'm done.
Speaker 2:So the video that you sent me today, this goes back to us having the same fucking algorithm.
Speaker 1:Oh, right yeah.
Speaker 2:So the video you sent me today, I actually sent to you on Sunday, but I almost didn't send it to you. Because of that, because I'm very careful, because there's a lot of videos that I see, I think this is a difference in our algorithm. I do see a lot of gross stuff too. Right, like there is a whole channel that I watch where the guy just eats the grossest stuff no, you see no and so those things I never send you.
Speaker 2:I never send you because I know how, how, like it's not a joke with you, right, like it's like you get you really bother like it and so one of the things that I think when you were thinking about like, well, what gets to you right. When I think about like Cerveza, claus and the people that I've seen, right, those people live around you Right, and so you're not scared because that's your normal.
Speaker 1:Unless they do something gross, then I'm backing out right, so the gross is a completely different, so like if they throw up in front of me no like you win the fight, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, I'm not getting.
Speaker 2:That's how they get you, that's your kryptonite, right, and so with me it's like a flying roach, but for you it's like gagging or choking or yes throwing up something like that yeah, that's gonna be your like if you were so if you're choking in front of me, I'm not doing cpr, just know that I'm not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I might have to now that I'm like you see no yeah, no, I I'm gonna be honest with you, you know, because, because we're pretty good friends Seeing you going through what you're going through just in this conversation it's not pleasant for me either. I feel what you're feeling. Do you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean no, no, no no.
Speaker 2:So we're going to put a bow in that right there.
Speaker 1:Any update on Keys, because I haven't. I mean I added him on Facebook. I was going to say I've only added him because you told me to add him. No, it's because I want to see, like to keep things fair. Right, we're going on the same, Like I take a step, you take a step Right, Like where he leans on, or whatever.
Speaker 2:So this is what I my plan was, yeah is that I wasn't gonna add him, because then you would be in the lead, right? But you convinced me and I added him and I'm gonna be honest with you. I think I see him more than you do, because I do run into I do run into him um, but he hasn't tried to hook up with me at all so not even a wink or blinking it's hard to say with this guy, you know.
Speaker 2:So angie was kind of thinking that we were being mean. It's not because he's bisexual, no, it's because he's weird, but it's all jokes, it's jokes, but I mean he's, he's weird, but it's not because he's bisexual yeah, it's funny, he knows that, he knows he knows and he wants to get with both of us speak for yourself, dude I think he does we?
Speaker 1:I mean after a joke or two, I wouldn't mind oh see, I like that.
Speaker 2:he squeezed in our new drink, the joke we need to add. We need to get a website and we need to add our drinks and we'll keep people posted on that.
Speaker 1:But you didn't take a measure of how much Chamoy put in.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say a shot.
Speaker 1:A Chamoy.
Speaker 2:A shot of Chamoy. That's what I'm going to say.
Speaker 1:I didn't know how much.
Speaker 2:Tahin, but.
Speaker 1:It wasn't that much yeah.
Speaker 2:That's it for today. Thank you for listening. Bye guys, we will see you next week.
